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The language of Christianity

Christianity is a like a language with different dialects and over time some common terms and phrases have lost their essential meaning. Kirby Ferguson takes a closer look at the language of Christianity in the video, while John Blake provides further context in CNN's Belief Blog.

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  1. Oyelakin

    Just to understand the language.

    August 1, 2011 at 4:47 am | Report abuse |
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  2. Bensah

    Allow urself and the holy spirit will do his work.

    August 1, 2011 at 6:58 am | Report abuse |
    • Ermelindo

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      September 30, 2012 at 12:10 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Gustavo Mendoza

    Kirby Ferguson is wrong, the Bible really spoke us about rapture in Mathew 24:40 telling us about " it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.":
    "40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left."

    August 1, 2011 at 2:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Michael

      The word "Rapture" is not int he bible. That was his point. He was right about that. However he clearly doesn't care for Modern Christianity and seems to lump all Christians into using the so called "flawed" definitions he illustrates. He then proposes a more traditional definition of the word and uses that definition to support his more humanist interpretation of the Bible. For instance his transformation of believe into beloved. They are two different words. And he uses that to refute the "belief" that the bible is literal. It's not Christians mis-interpretation of the word "believe" that causes that. Also the idea that "Salvation" can be had or begun here on earth he extends by implication to Salvation can be "earned" here on earth which is clearly his humanist perspective and not the gospel of Jesus Christ.

      August 3, 2011 at 5:34 pm | Report abuse |
      • James Stewart

        Again, semantics. You draw lines in the sand arbitrarily making it impossible to allow any criticism of your belief system. Modern Christians? Are you more or less christian than the followers Peter accrued during his tenure? More or less christian than those before Christ? More or less than the Spanish during the inquisition? Why do you get to decide who is in what bin together or separate? Aren't all who take his name one and the same?

        As soon as someone questions your beliefs your defenses go up. Not willing to discuss, not willing to think. Only to defend blindly that which you believe, often ignoring that which you already know.

        August 3, 2011 at 9:42 pm | Report abuse |
        • Lance

          James, you asked, "Aren't all who take his name one and the same? The answer is no. Jesus said, "Not every one that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity." (Matthew 7:21-23).

          August 4, 2011 at 9:07 am | Report abuse |
          • James Stewart

            And yet we get all turned around when we examine 1 Timothy 1:15, Acts 15:11, and Ephesians 1:13.

            For you to say you know which of God's words he meant to be interpreted as such in what instance is a pretty big claim. Are you claiming to be a profit, to have divine explanation? 1 Corinthians 2:11

            But alas, we are again arguing over points of the thoughts of an entity we can not confirm with. Plenty claim to know, and those that claim to know God's thoughts... talk about true heresy.

            The whole system is set up this way. I can keep going down this road, but in the end it would simply be an argument of distraction; an argument that bores me. I honestly find no difference in biblical discussions or the finer details of the JRR Tolkien series. Neither accomplishes anything for the good of either party or mankind. Think, if you spent the same time and energy that you put into the bible into something productive what you might be able to accomplish for yourself, your family, for mankind.

            August 4, 2011 at 6:35 pm | Report abuse |
          • Andrea

            At last we finally have a stilouon to AGW let the UN handle it.Given their lack of success in reigning in petty dictators like my personal favorite RG Mugabe who personally accounts for at least a few thousand deaths a year, (not counting 5 million who currently suffer from food shortage or the tens of thousands who die from lack of basic health care as a direct result of his actions) I think we are assured of a lack of swift and decisive action.On thing we are assured of is a lot of hot air emanating from the UN!!!At least China will ensure non-action in much the same way as they ensure non-action when ever their interests are threatened.Goodness me who would have thought they could have been our allies?

            October 3, 2012 at 8:29 am | Report abuse |
      • Lance

        The word, Rapture, comes from the Latin vulgate Raptos. The greek word in 1 Thessalonians is harpadzomai, which is where he gets the meaning of passive. It is a work that is done to the receipiant.

        August 4, 2011 at 8:38 am | Report abuse |
        • James Stewart


          And I call bullshit. 🙂

          August 4, 2011 at 6:36 pm | Report abuse |
          • James Stewart

            I am very well versed in this topic (unfortunately for my youth...) and had never heard anything on that. A quick Google search for Greek: harpadzomai provides nothing. Making stuff up only discredits you further...

            August 4, 2011 at 6:38 pm | Report abuse |
          • Lance

            Sorry, misspoke. The greek word is ἁρπαγησόμεθα (har-page-sometha) not harpadzomai. ἁρπαγησόμεθα is a second future passive indicitive form of harpadzo. Tried to do it from memory 😦

            August 5, 2011 at 7:56 pm | Report abuse |
            • James Stewart

              I officially withdraw my call of Bullshit. Well played. Closest argument I have seen, still concedes the point that 'Rapture' is a new made up word used to replace a full concept that is described in that original verse. The verse is written in as much a poetic prose as anything. Do you take this as a literal conceptualization or more poetic in the way it flows that those who believe are lifted up to heaven? As far as my understanding goes, that would be a spiritual uplifting, not a literal physical alien abduction style lifting... lol.

              August 10, 2011 at 6:10 pm | Report abuse |
        • Alaa

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  4. edomwonyi edegbe

    The Bible is preached with 1000 meanings though GOD has one meaning in mind

    August 1, 2011 at 6:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • FaithScent

      @Edom-, The Divine Author's intended meaning is single and many times double because of Christ, but there can be 1,000 applications from it.

      August 2, 2011 at 3:14 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Michael Hutton

    Nice word games, prettily packaged, but nowhere near correct. A more comprehensive reading of the Bible would see that believing in the sense of comprehension and assent is important- Hebrews 11:6 "Now without faith it is impossible to please God, for the one who draws near to Him must believe that He exists and rewards those who seek Him" And salvation, mostly about this life?? Jesus words, "It is better for you to enter life maimed or lame, than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into the eternal fire." Matthew 18:8. Yeah those irritating conservatives, who expect people to believe in something and have that belief affect the way they live their life, they're the real deal.

    August 2, 2011 at 1:29 am | Report abuse |
    • James Stewart

      What version of the bible are you quoting?

      Even this simple concept is stated 17 different ways... which is correct? Which is God's word? All? None? Semantics.

      August 3, 2011 at 9:34 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Bud Hall

    What a terribly misleading editorial!!! I find it so hard to believe that any managing editor at CNN would allow this to air, unless they just wanted to plant another seed of anti-Christianity in America. I hope this post will not get pre-screened and deleted.

    August 2, 2011 at 7:00 am | Report abuse |
    • James Stewart

      Did you ever stop to consider that maybe, just maybe, this whole Christianity thing is a hoax and a scam?

      If you had a friend going to a psychic for readings, who studied taro cards, and meditated with a crystal ball how would you view them and all the time and money the spent on this activity?

      But if they were to go to church on Sunday, study their bible, and meditate in prayer how would you view them and all the time they and money the spent on the activity?

      How is one different from the other? Honestly? Just the packaging...

      August 3, 2011 at 9:47 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Emmanuel Boston

    Kirby Ferguson, please accept this with humility as I am not seeking any sort of conflict. There is a great deal of misunderstanding of orthodox, classical Christianity represented in this video. Please do not allow one man, whomever it may be, to speak for the mass of Christianity, let alone the mass of Christianity throughout the centuries. I ask you to inquire further and from a broader scope of persons. Thank you.

    August 2, 2011 at 7:24 am | Report abuse |
    • James Stewart

      I think you might have just proven his point. No man can speak for Christianity. There are so many fragments and parts and evolution of the doctrine, the ceremony, the people that there is nothing of consistency left beyond the core doctrine; which is largely ignored for semantics. Get over the nuances and learn to Love all of Mankind for who they are, what they are, where they are. Not for your God, but for the sake of mankind.

      August 3, 2011 at 9:28 pm | Report abuse |
  8. FaithScent

    All you need is to read the whole Bible for several times. The Bible explains itself. People don't read the whole Bible with millions of excuses – that's the real problem.

    August 2, 2011 at 3:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • FaithScent

      Also, ask God humbly in prayers to teach you before reading the Bible.

      August 2, 2011 at 3:16 pm | Report abuse |
      • James Stewart

        I lost years of my life to that failed pursuit. I urge you to pursue all other religions and philosophies with this same intensity before you demand the same from me.

        I have read the bible (kjv) cover to cover dozens of times. I have spent thousands of hours on my knees. That is time I can never get back in this life, but I do not regret the time spent. It allows me to walk into a discussion like this and strip you of your excuses and straw-man arguments. If I were of Islam and cried out that you must spend the time to read Torah and Pray to Allah for answers before you can denounce my religion you would be terribly offended. But to you extend that same respect?

        You live in such a small box and fear looking out at the world, using another lens, walking in another's shoes. But this is what Christ taught. We are all sinners, we all fail, but in the end we are all the same. Get over the nuances and learn to love. Stop splitting hairs and embrace your fellow man with all your heart, mind, and soul. Take the time you demand of me to read a book I have read, and go out into the world and try helping another person, connecting with another person, not for Jesus, not for yourself or your soul, but for them.

        August 3, 2011 at 9:25 pm | Report abuse |
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  9. FaithScent

    "This religion"? Christianity is the only true religion, especially for founding America and every good thing about the nation. What are these unAmericans in CNN saying?

    August 2, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • James Stewart

      You intrigue me.

      If America is a Christian country, why are we at war? Did Jesus not preach love, charity, and the turning of the cheek?

      If America is a Christian country, why do we still have homeless, poor, and hungry? Did Jesus not preach that the poor among us are just as valuable as the Wall St. execs that make millions?

      If America is a Christian country, and founded as such, why were a number of the founding father openly atheist? Thomas Jefferson: "[N]o man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion..."

      "To the corruptions of Christianity I am, indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, only in the sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence.... At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But a heresy it certainly is. Jesus taught nothing of it."

      Jefferson believed in the moral teachings of Christ and edited a compilation of Christ's teachings leaving out the miracles.

      Of the original 7 founding fathers, only John Jay can be considered an orthodox Christian. The rest did not believe in a literal god.

      America never was, and never will be a Christian nation. This is simply propaganda that has been used by our slowly degrading governmental system to win votes. And it sickens me.

      If you are a Christian in America and you don't have an issue with either Christianity or America then something is deeply deeply wrong with this picture...

      August 3, 2011 at 9:12 pm | Report abuse |
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      • Manju

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  10. James Stewart

    For those of you who question my credentials: 2 years of seminary, one full year for each the new and old testament (KJV). I am an ordained Reverend, and a stout atheist.

    We can all agree that the Nazi's and all they stood for were evil and bad. Even though most of what they stood for was prosperity, hard work, and a revitalization of Germany. But they killed Jews so they are evil.

    Lets look at the Catholic Church with this same lenses. The Catholic Church has wars, genocide, the inquisition, rape, child molestation, and outright corruption to their name. But they are they are a religion so we can't talk bad about them. Right?

    Things evolve and change over time, government, religions, people, cultures, everything about this planet is in flux. Everything can be examined from multiple angles, and argued, and defended, and fought over until every last drop has been shed and the religious get their end times they so dearly look forward to.

    What Kirby has done is simply take an analysis of the language of the christian churches over the last few thousand years. Who among us would ever argue that the word gay has not gone though many variants. Or fag. Or punk. Words change, meanings change, context changes. I have read the bible cover to cover dozens of times. I have prayed for thousands of hours. Then I did something miraculous; I decided to open my mind to the world, to world history, to world religions. The farther you force your mind into a corner, the harder it is to come out of that dark cave you have enslaved yourself to.

    I in no way expect any converts from my post, but I would hope that maybe someone would take a few minutes and research all religions in history to the same extent that you demand people study Christianity before you claim any one as correct, or any other as wrong. We are all atheist to some extent. Whether you have disbelief in Islam, Christianity, or the Greek Gods you have the same disregard to someone's religion that I have for all religions. The only difference between an atheist and a Christian is that the atheist has just one more false god he does not worship.

    August 3, 2011 at 1:02 am | Report abuse |
    • Gustavo Mendoza

      Two years of seminary without realize the Bible really spoke us about rapture telling " it will be at the coming of the Son of Man."?
      Mathew 24 "40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left."

      Is comprehensible why he failed the seminary.

      August 3, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Report abuse |
      • James Stewart

        Kirby never said that the rapture was never mentioned/referenced in the bible, he stated that the phrase 'the rapture' itself was never used in the bible. You argue this point with a vague reference to what 'the rapture' describes but still fail to point out a use of that word.

        August 3, 2011 at 8:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • o.k.

      I'll pray for you most sincerely. How anyone who has studied scripture as you say you have and simply deny its validity is beyond me–this historical record is repeatedly confirmed through today's science; prophesy becoming true, even in our day, to wit:

      Rev 11: 7-9 concerning the prophesy of the 2 witnesses - "Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from EVERY PEOPLE, TRIBE, LANGUAGE AND NATION WILL GAZE ON THEIR BODIES and refuse them burial." In other words, the bible predicted satellite television 2000 years ago!

      Bury your head in the sand if you will–as for me and my house, we will worship the Lord.

      August 3, 2011 at 5:00 pm | Report abuse |
      • James Stewart

        While I appreciate the sentiments, and doubt that you actually did mention this online discussion in your prayers, I would strongly urge you to not waste you breath, and instead take the time to go out into the world and help a fellow human being. Not by wishing (or praying as you say), but by action. For one day even; please go to a local soup kitchen, take sandwiches to the homeless on the street corner, help a friend get back on their feet, or if these are too much to ask, smile at everyone you meet today. Not for Jesus or because your are supposed to, but because it is a good thing to do for yourself and others.

        I take no action for hope of salvation and I avoid no action for fear of hell. I do take action with hope to help others, and I embrace good will as it is both logical and moral. Morality to me is not defined by any ancient text, but instead as taking the actions that are most beneficial and the least detrimental to and for mankind. Beyond that I work to my full extent to balance the rights of the individuals with the needs of the masses. I hope that one day all of humanity may coexist peacefully. What I have seen over and over throughout history is that the religious among us are the least willing to embrace humanity as a whole and coexist peacefully.

        If you had read the bible fully you would know that the core message is thus: Love all mankind equally, whether sinner or saint, whether of your belief or the belief you consider most vile. Work with your own two hands to the extent of your power to make this so for yourself and all those you encounter. Do not seek violence, do not seek power, do not be greedy, but be charitable to all.

        While I may have denounced the christian faith for all its pomp, grandeur, corruption, mistranslated and selectively used texts, overwhelming greed, and over all unchristian behavior, I still respect those that follow the true core values; Love is all you need.

        August 3, 2011 at 8:59 pm | Report abuse |
        • o.k.

          My pray sentiment is sincere–don't be so skeptical. You cite the core value of love all mankind–it is a core value, second only to love the Lord your God, which you have neglected. Don't worry either, my faith isn't simply in my heart–it is indeed in my hands and feet (and occasionally my wallet).

          You make, however, a very interesting point: "What I have seen over and over throughout history is that the religious among us are the least willing to embrace humanity as a whole and coexist peacefully." My suggestion is that is what you see is because, through out history, people have been religious. In other words–completely human. Unless you have actual evidence that atheists are better people, and that a history of full of atheists would have resulted in fewer wars and less selfish behavior, I'm willing to consider it. My view, however, is that the claim that wars are generally started because of religious views is overwhelmingly overblown. True–many wars are based in direct religious difference, but I can certainly point to many that are not: American Revolution (taxes, et al.); War of 1812 (damn Brits just didn't want to give us up so quickly; U.S. Civil War (slavery and states rights); Mexican American War (I'll take Texas thank you); WWI (sorry Serbia); WWII (pearl harbor/Hitler's a nut–and not of the religious variety); Korea and Vietnam (communism v. democracy). (Admittedly, an over simplification of the causes of these wars, but you'd be hard pressed to convince anyone that they were initiated because of religious differences.) My point is, if given a long history of atheism throughout the world–I suspect you'd see people acting very human–i.e. wars will continue and people will be selfish.

          August 4, 2011 at 12:46 am | Report abuse |
          • James Stewart

            Thank you for you response. I have no argument for you and appreciate you willingness to discuss, debate and examine each other's statements.

            I honestly wish the best for you, and would even go so far as saying that I might enjoy conversing with you further in the future.

            August 4, 2011 at 1:04 am | Report abuse |
            • Paula

              Philip Jones: What we need is a report aotruhed by academics at Professorial level at least, commissioned by a proper University and published in a top-flight journal, say The Lancet. I wonder if such a study exists? Well, lookee hereIs this the same The Lancet that published the very dubious Iraq casualty study? The one whose editor-in-chief, Richard Horton, that while he once shied away from bridging potentially controversial topics in the pages of his journal, he now sees science as a way to find common ground and catalyze social change? Catalyzing social change is certainly what I think of as the proper goal of a top-flight journal.

              October 3, 2012 at 8:32 am | Report abuse |
    • Lance

      So you claim to be an athiest. So do you believe something came from nothing?

      August 5, 2011 at 8:04 pm | Report abuse |
      • James Stewart

        I don't have an answer for that, and I will happily admit as much. That in no way sways me to disregard all rational thought and assume any answer to be CORRECT, until that answer can be proven.

        To pose a similar question: Why your god story? Your faith is just as strong and story just as compelling as the Jewish religion, as Islam. You claim to be a Christian, but what of the world outside the Christian world? Was all of North and South America and Asia and Australia and Southern Africa not worthy of your God's love and saving?

        You can climb further and further into the safety of your flock, of your fold, of whatever delusional belief system you may have and never have to look up at the world. The Islamic extremists do it to the point that they believe killing in the name of their god is a path to glory and you look upon them as savages and weep. What of all the wars that Christianity has started, the crusades, the inquisitions; what of all the lives they have claimed on the same concepts? They bring themselves in, close themselves off, keep themselves tight, and if any man questions their beliefs they fight them, argue them, or kill them if need be. How can you honestly differentiate, forgive, and ignore these truths of time?

        I do not know what came before time, but I am willing to search to find out. As my time is limited I chose to search by the means that discriminates against no man. My beliefs are based and founded in science, in peer reviewed work, in this world that I live in to try and make a better existence for myself and all my human family. If choosing to not believe in magic of any sort, be it Harry Potter, Christ Gods, or Unicorns makes me an Atheist, then so be it.

        Do I think an multidimensional being may exist that brought our perceivable universe into existence? Possibly. Do I think my time is well spent bickering over who's idea of that multidimensional is least wrong? No. Do I thoroughly enjoy these discussions with the religious community; Yes, yes I do.

        August 10, 2011 at 12:35 am | Report abuse |
        • Lance

          @ James: LOL. I, also, thoroughly enjoy these discussions as well. As you have admitted, you are at least open to the possibility that something, other than nothing, accounts for the existence of our universe. You are therefore not an athiest, but an agnostic. Considering Christianity, explain to me how in the world could this religion get off the ground in the first place? Tell me, what benefit did these twelve men hope to acheive? Why did they preach the resurrection of Christ in the very center of the controversy? Couldn't they more easily preach a resurrected Christ in some pagan culture far removed from the events? How could these men die for a lie knowing it was a lie in light of what we know about these men from history? Did they receive any monetary, or social, or emotional or psychological or physical benefit from all of this? The answer of course is no. Now I am not referring to the indulgences perpetrated by the Catholic church, I am simply limiting it to the 1st century believers, the apostles who preached the resurrection of Christ. Again, I appreciate and enjoy these discussions with you.

          August 10, 2011 at 4:48 am | Report abuse |
          • James Stewart

            Well now that we both know that we can push without fear of insult merely for the sport of intellectual discussion, let's begin:

            How could first century believers believe and die for these 'lies'? There are many theories and I don't care for any one over the other. I go with Occam's razor on this one: for the same reason that many superstitions, beliefs, and religions started: they didn't think it was a lie. Beyond that there is the delay in reality and recording. The Mormons state their belief in the bible bluntly: "as far as it is translated correctly" and I have always had respect for that.

            Have you seen 'The Man From Earth' (available on netflix)? This would be my favorite discussion on this topic, but as a (hopefully implicit) disclaimer I do not take this as anything more than an interesting discussion and exploration of the topic through a fun and deeply philosophical lens.

            I do not argue that Christ lived or didn't live, but I will always argue that if he did as the bible states then he is misrepresented by his own followers more often than not, and if he could come back and explain himself we all might be in for a surprise...

            But again, this is one religion of many.

            As far as the agnostic/atheist differentiation: semantics. I take no hold with any current theory, and expect a proven concept before I will accept any. While I concede the potential for multidimensional-ism beyond my comprehension, I do not care to cast my lot with the agnostics. While the discussion of a higher power or multidimensional force is one possibility that cannot as of yet be ruled out, at this point it is very low on the list of potential catalysts. I am a scientist by employment and lifestyle. As such it is easier to post my paradigm as Atheist as I would rather defend that stance than spend my time going over the semantics of what can and cannot be proven or disproved at this point in multidimensional theory.

            So moving past the linchpin concept of the higher power, I do hold all religions in contempt. And I hold all the man made gods in contempt. And I hold every leader that has used the man made gods in gross contempt. We should all assume there is something bigger than us in the universe, to not would be folly. But none of us should claim to know the answer until we can prove it in totality to others. And I know plenty of religious people, and religious leaders who mean well.

            As an example, what if I were out there getting people to believe in the flying spaghetti monster, no matter how noble my cause, I would be in the wrong as I have no proof of my spaghetti monster. But what if I truly believe it? What if I got my followers to truly believe it to and start wearing strainers on their heads and cooking 3 pots of spaghetti a day for the glory of our god? Would this make us right? Would this validate my beliefs because I was able to get others to believe as I do?

            And this brings us full circle: just like Camping got his followers to truly believe the rapture was a few months ago, I'm sure it was no harder in the 1st century than it is today. You can get people to believe even the wildest things with all their heart, mind and soul. People sold their homes, some left their children, and all of Campings followers were ready to die for their beliefs: it doesn't make them right or even more credible.

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            • Lance

              It's easy to die for a lie thinking it's the truth. Muslims did it on 9/11 in hopes of 72 virgins. However, as i stated before, the apostles were in a unique position. They would know. You alledge that Christianity is all a hoax, nothing but a scam. If it were a hoax, then that presupposes that the apostles were preaching a lie. A lie is a deliberate action to deceive. If Christ didnt' rise from the dead as the Apostles preached, then they would know beyond all doubt. Hence, they all died for a hoax they perpetrated. As Simon Greenleaf said, "It's possible for a man to die for a lie thinking it's the truth, but it is impossible for a man to die for a lie knowing it's a lie." (Rough quote).

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  11. Bonita

    No one has to study atheism because atheism got nothing worth. Atheists always lie that they studied religion when they are just filled with hatred against religion. In fact the only thing they worship is self. I rather trust dogs than atheists. Pathetic American atheists should immigrate to their utopia(North Korea) and starve there. They don't deserve living in the Christian-structured nation USA.

    August 3, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • James Stewart

      I never asked you to study atheism. That would be a silly thing for me to request of a zealot. But have you studied Buddhism, Islam, the Greek and Norse gods with the same fervor that you demand of people who criticize you?

      You so easily write off the belief systems of others without any thought. But to examine your own belief system is frightening beyond belief. What of the followers of Camping and the WBC? What of the sins and transgressions of the Catholic church throughout history? In 2001 purgatory is officially taken off record by the Catholic church. Added by into scripture in the 1700's but taken from the poem Dante's Inferno. Altered to accommodate the progression of the religion. These are the things you support, but to deny these entities is my folly?

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            • Stevie

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  12. Bonita

    Christianity saves humanity. Atheism kills and destroys everything noble and good. The Gospel of John chapter 10 says so, and it is proven right throughout the human history.

    August 4, 2011 at 7:12 am | Report abuse |
    • James Stewart

      This is humorous at best.

      Most scientists I know are very nonviolent people who simple want to optimize the world. Everything is, and everything can be better.

      Most zealots I know are very violent people who want to force their concepts and reality upon you and are willing to wage war to do so.

      But that is another severe difference between an atheist and a zealot: I view all religions as the same, with many of the same flaws. You view your religion only through the lens of your religion, and use facts created by your religion to prove this religion true to yourself. Deeper and deeper you dive, farther and farther into the corner, and when you finally feel yourself trapped is when the zealots become dangerous; and violent. Just examine the Catholics persecution and execution of some of the best scientists in history. Believe as I do and we can be friends, say one word against my religion and we are mortal enemies... yup, Christian religions only caused the dark ages and stunted human development for about 1000 years.

      Lol. No people are perfect, all people are flawed. The Christians got that right. Now if they can just try and remember the whole love everyone equally (10 commandments), ignore religious and cultural differences (Good Samaritan), and not blame others unless you are sinless parts (cast the first stone, mote in your eye, etc...)

      August 10, 2011 at 6:20 pm | Report abuse |
      • Lance

        You said, "Now if they can just try to remember the whole love everyone equally (10 Commandments). By this statement and the following you are setting yourself up to be the judge. You are blaming Christians for not being loving, for not ignoring religious and cultural difference, etc., etc. So, based on your own criterea, "don't blame others unless you are sinless", are you sinless yourslef? Have you loved God with all your heart, soul, strength and mind? Have you ever told a lie? Stolen anything ever in your life (even if it's small?) Ever used God's name in vain? Ever looked at a woman with sexual desire? If you have you are just like the rest of us. I can't judge you, but God can. The 10 Commandments are God's judgements, not our own. If a cop pulls you over for breaking the Law, the cop doesn't judge you based on his own personal judgements, he is judging you by the Law. Can you say to a cop who pulled you over for speeding, "don't judge me?"

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